Shrila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja
January 14, 2007
[The January 2007 Hawaii festival was held on the island of Hawaii. There, Shrila Narayana Maharaja stayed in a rented house on the ocean for one week. Almost every morning he met with devotees and also replied to any of their inquiries. Below is one such meeting:]
[Devotee:] He has a question about following Shrila Swami Prabhupada’s mood. Is that in vaidhi-bhakti [*See endnote 1] or raganuga-bhakti [*See endnote 2]?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] If one follows us in vaidhi-bhakti, practicing bhakti-yoga in our line, reading Shri Caitanya-caritamrta, Shrimad-Bhagavatam and hearing classes on all these subjects, he will automatically come to raganuga. If anyone practices bhakti as Shrila Rupa Gosvami explained it in Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, he will surely come to raganuga. All the principles explained by Shrila Rupa Gosvami are connected to raganuga. One should begin from vaidhi-bhakti – and then they can easily come to raganuga.
[Devotee:] So, a new devotee, someone who is just beginning to practice, should not try to practice raganuga? It will naturally come?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] They should hear hari-katha. By hearing they should gradually begin vaidhi-bhakti, and then gradually they will become qualified for raganuga.
[Devotee:] Are any of us qualified for raganuga-bhakti?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] I think they will become qualified.
Do you want to go to Vaikuntha to serve Lord Narayana?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] Do you want to go to Dvaraka to be a queen?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] Do you want to go to Mathura?
[Devotee:] No. I want to be a servant of Radha.
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] This is raganuga, because greed has come. [*See endnote 3] To those who come to me, I give a very powerful injection that will never go in vain. This will gradually take them up to radha-dasyam (personal service to Shrimati Radhika). But they must follow. It has been told in Bhagavad-gita:
tad viddhi pranipatena
upadeksyanti te jnanam
[“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.” (Bhagavad-gita, 4.34)]
Intellectually knowing everything of the philosophy will not suffice. If one knows all the scriptures, like Shrimad-Bhagavatam, the Puranas, the Vedas, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu and Ujjvala-nilamani, but if he cannot satisfy his Gurudeva, his erudition has no value. On the other hand, even if one does not have much scriptural knowledge, but he always satisfies his Gurudeva, it is certain that he will become qualified.
vikriditam vraja-vadhubhir idam ca visnoh
sraddhanvito 'nusrnuyad atha varnayed yah
bhaktim param bhagavati pratilabhya kamam
hrd-rogam asv apahinoty acirena dhirah
[“Anyone who faithfully hears or describes the Lord's playful affairs with the young gopis of Vrndavana will attain the Lord's pure devotional service. Thus he will quickly become sober and conquer lust, the disease of the heart. (Shrimad-Bhagavatam 10.33.39)]
The word 'anusrnuyad' in this verse means that the disciple will hear from Gurudeva. Then, by serving and pleasing him, he will become qualified to speak and preach. If a well-learned person is preaching but is not pleasing Gurudeva, he is not qualified. His speak ing will not produce any good result.
[Devotee:] How do we continue to serve you when we leave here and go back to our normal lives?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] You should remember the hari-katha you are hearing this week. Try to understand it and incorporate it into your life. Always think about it, and do what I am telling in my hari-katha.
[A guest, meeting Shrila Narayana Maharaja for the first time:] How do I sever worldly ties and become free to come to the spiritual realm?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] The holy name is even more powerful then the Supreme Lord Himself. If you will chant the holy name, Krsna will mercifully arrange everything. You will have the time to engage more fully in Krsna consciousness. You should chant the very powerful holy name of Krsna.
[Devotee:] Because she is so new, she still eats meat. Can you tell her something to encourage her to give that up?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] You should know that within the word ‘meat’ there is ME-EAT – “those who I eat, will eat me." If you eat an animal in this life, that animal will eat you in the next. That may happen even in this life. The animals will surely take revenge. So don’t take meat, wine, eggs and fish – all are the same. Be careful to avoid this, beginning from today.
[Devotee:] Here is my Vyasa-puja offering. I am giving it to you now, because on Vyasa-puja day (4 days later) there will be so many people coming to you.
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] All can come. I am the father of all of you. The father has affection for all his children, so don’t be fearful.
[Devotee:] Are the scriptures of other religions also sabda-pramana (transcendental evidence)?
[Shrila Naryana Maharaja:] Yes, but so-called followers do not actually understand or follow. In the Bible it has been told, “God created man after His own im age.” 'After His own image' means that He has a very beautiful transcendental form. The so-called followers don’t agree with that. They say, “God has no form.”
This is true for Muslims also. It is not written anywhere in the Muslim scriptures: "Those who do not follow Mohammad are the enemy, and you should kill them.” This is not written anywhere in the Koran. Some Muslim leaders want the entire world to become Muslim and chant Allah, Huda – by force. In the Koran it has been written that Allah has a form, and according to that form He created man – but the so-called followers don’t agree.
[Devotee:] Are the Vedic scriptures in the three gunas also sabda-pramana, or only the scriptures in sattva-guna?
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] Yes, they are sabda-pramana. Especially, Shrimad-Bhagavatam is amala-pramana, the spotless evidence. If you follow Shrimad-Bhagavatam, you will see that all pramana s (Vedic evidences) are there. The real meaning of sabda-pramana is Bhagavatam.
[Devotee:] Do you still have affection for me, even though I am acting so bad?
[Shrila Narayana Maharja:] Why?
[Devotee:] I am so dry in my heart.
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] Try to make it rasastha (flavorful), as others have done and as I have done. Always be happy, sinking in the ocean of Radha-Krsna’s love. Do as the other devotees are doing. Give your entire energy to that, and be happy. If you do not give your energy to that, your energy will automatically go to sense gratification – and then you cannot be happy.
[Devotee:] But the pulling is so strong.
[Shrila Narayana Maharaja:] Be like us, and be happy. You should control your mind and heart.
[*Endnote 1: “Those who have not attained the platform of spontaneous attachment in devotional service render devotional service under the guidance of a bona fide spiritual master according to the regulative principles mentioned in the revealed scriptures. According to the revealed scriptures, this kind of devotional service is called vaidhi bhakti. (Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.109)
Endnote 2 : “The original inhabitants of Vrndavana are attached to Krsna spontaneously in devotional service. Nothing can compare to such spontaneous devotional service, which is called ragatmika bhakti. When a devotee follows in the footsteps of the devotees of Vrndavana, his devotional service is called raganuga bhakti. (Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.149)
Endnote 3: Of all the one-pointed devotees of the different incarnations of the Supreme Lord, the parama-prematura bhaktas, those desirous of the highest prema, whose hearts have been stolen by Shri Nandanandana, are the topmost. Even the grace of Laksmipati Shri Narayana, the Lord of the paravyoma, cannot attract their minds. Although there is n o difference between Shri Narayana and Shri Krsna in terms of tattva, Shri Krsna form is superior due to the superexcellence of prema-rasa. The very nature of rasa itself reveals the supreme excellence of the form of Shri Krsna. The ultimate climax of prema-rasa is found only in the condition of mahabhava. The only object for this kind of rasa is Vrajendra-nandana not Maha-Narayana or other avataras. Therefore even Laksmi, who is always situated at the chest of Maha-Narayana, underwent severe austerities in order to obtain this extraordinary quality of rasa. (An excerpt from the purport of 4th verse of Shri Manah-siksa by Shrila Narayana Maharaja]
Editor: Shyamarani dasi
Transcriber and typist: Vasanti dasi